Radio France Internationale: Interview with the Reporter Who First Revealed the Removal of Organs from Live Falun Gong Practitioners

According to a report by Gu Li, Radio France International (RFI) correspondent, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) harvests organs from executed prisoners for profit. Newspaper Le Figaro (France) reported on April 3rd that hospitals in China obtain organs from executed prisoners. Le Figaro quoted from Chen Zhonghua, a former surgeon at Tongji Hospital in Wuhan City that, 99% of organs came from executed prisoners; some executed prisoners still had the living body temperature while he removed organs. This Wuhan surgeon told the South China Morning Post (Hong Kong) that it is a very common practice to harvest organs from prisoners’ bodies; everyone closes their eyes and does not care if this has violated the human morality.

A report in Le Figaro said that last month, the World Health Organisation said that China is the country where “foreigners can purchase executed prisoners’ organs”. Le Point (France) reported on March the 23rd that, China is the haven of organ transplants, last year several hundreds foreigners went to China for kidney transplants, they came from the US, Australia, Japan, England and Israel, the price of transplant operations for foreigners is ten times more than that charged in China. The Washington Times in the US and The New Paper in Singapore recently published a Chinese reporter’s testimony one after another; this Chinese reporter had gone to the US, using a pseudonym Jin Zhong. He revealed that a few years ago when he was investigating the situation of SARS, he discovered that several thousands of Falun Gong practitioners were imprisoned at the Liaoning Provincial Thrombosis Hospital of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine, where their organs were harvested for sale.

Reuters published a message on March 30th saying that Manfred Nowak, United Nations Special Anti-Torture Commissioner, announced at a press conference that he is launching the investigation in the scope of his capability, once this news is proved to be a serious and credible one, he will officially raise this case with the CCP regime.

On March 28th, the spokesperson of the Chinese Ministry of Foreign Affairs denied the existence of concentration camps to imprison Falun Gong practitioners and harvest their organs for sale. AFP published an item from Washington on March the 31st and said that, the spokesperson of the State Department indicated that US hopes the Chinese authority could launch an investigation regarding this matter rather than just simple denial.

The Chinese reporter, alias Jin Zhong, accepted an interview with RFI. For security considerations, he asked to have his voice dubbed and the following is the interview recording:

Reporter: How did you discover the secret concentration camps in the beginning?

Jin Zhong: It was very accidental. While gathering news and doing investigation in China, you normally don’t have many opportunities to do so, you could often dig out some news at mah-jong halls, sauna bath rooms, or dining tables. I got the news from some high level officials in Liaoning province; I obtained the news accidentally while communicating with them.

Reporter: Have you visited the concentration camps?

Jin Zhong: Yes I have visited some concentration camps.

Reporter: What made you have the suspicion and want to investigate these concentration camps at that time?

Jin Zhong: I had felt the camps were quite suspicious from many aspects. The news about very large numbers of people imprisoned in the camps was known by many people including the inhabitants nearby. People had been sent into the hospital for a very long period of time, a few years, but nothing indicated any person being released from the hospital.

Reporter: From what channels then did you learn that the harvesting of organs from human bodies, even some from live person’s bodies was happening in the camps?

Jin Zhong: From the person concerned the surgeon who performs the operations.

Reporter: Had you contact with the doctor who performed the operations?

Jin Zhong: Yes, now there is another witness, she is the wife of a doctor who performed the operations; she definitely was an employee in the concentration camps. Now she also stood out and gave a testimony.

Reporter: Did you got in touch with only one doctor or a few doctors?

Jin Zhong: I had got in touch with two or three doctors, some of them directly got involved in this matter and some of them indirectly participated in.

Reporter: Then can you recall for me one original word which the doctor said to you?

Jin Zhong: One original word? Do you mean one word the doctor once told me?

Reporter: Right, it is how did he remove the organs from the person’s bodies and from live persons?

Jin Zhong: It is difficult for me to recall the original words all of a sudden, however I felt he conveyed such a meaning, he said that: “we removed many organs, after the organs were removed, the person was still alive, not a dead person”. Just such a few words, I was very shocked when I heard this news.

Reporter: It is reported on the Internet that about 6000 people were detained in the camps do you think the amount of 6000 is credible?

Jin Zhong: I can not say 100% accurate, but based on the information I got at that time as well as the witnesses and material evidence exposed from all aspects under the broad daylight now, I think the figure is basically credible, because this figure is not only from my part, but also many other witnesses and material evidence. Their testimonies also prove the figure I got at that time is basically correct. However, I reckon there are not so many now.

Reporter: You mean the 6000 was the figure of a few years ago, right?

Jin Zhong: That is right.

Reporter: Then who were those people?

Jin Zhong: Based on my investigation, I feel most likely that they were Falun Gong practitioners, perhaps there were also some ordinary criminals, but I think the vast majority were Falun Gong practitioners.

Reporter: It is said that you did see the crematorium, did you?

Jin Zhong: Yes, I did.

Reporter: You investigated this matter; tell us what the results are?

Jin Zhong: The crematoriums were located at the rear of the camps, now the photo of the crematoriums have been published on the Internet, you can have a look. Recently we got an audio record which is a conversation with farmers who worked in the boiler rooms of the crematoriums. The record indicates that those farmers admitted they burned bodies and obtained very many wristwatches, rings and such from the corpses, they then brought those objects out for sale, and there is some evidence to prove this.

Reporter: Did you have a conversation with the farmers?

Jin Zhong: Do you mean the farmers who heated the boilers inside the crematoriums?

Reporter: Yes.

Jin Zhong: No, I didn’t.

Reporter: Then you heard this indirectly.

Jin Zhong: It is not I heard this indirectly; I just simply have this evidence in hand.

Reporter: What is that?

Jin Zhong: How could I put it, for instance, we can contact them by pretending to purchase wristwatches or rings, then mention the facts that they worked in the crematoriums and could casually obtain many wristwatches and rings and ask them is that right? They, of course, acknowledged this bluntly, it was the actual situation. However they were also very much scared while making contact with them, they were afraid of being arrested.

Reporter: Did they reveal how many bodies they burned per day, a few bodies per day or a dozen per day?

Jin Zhong: They did not dare to say this, they were also very scared. I believe their higher authority must have warned them about this. Normally they were not willing to reveal this.

Reporter: As far as you know, after the organs were removed, they should have a way to transfer the removed organs to somewhere else, where were the organs transferred to? Who was the buyers of the organs?

Jin Zhong: I don’t know if you have the knowledge about the situation of transplant operations in China at present. In year 2004, a programme on CCTV explicitly mentioned a fact: in China kidney transplant operations can be performed in many places even in the hospitals at small villages or towns. Therefore the circulation channels are very widespread, those organs had been sold to different places and some may be sold overseas..

Reporter: Did you get this news from the camps or does everybody know this?

Jin Zhong: This news was widely spread on the web, there are also many intermediary companies in Shenyang, this is already not a secret anymore and anyone can have this information. There are also many other places such as Shenyang, Dongbei, Dalian, etc., to do this kind of business.

Reporter: Now you have fled to overseas, what are the most worrying things for you? Because you are not willing to expose your status, what are you afraid of the most?

Jin Zhong: The most worrying thing for me is that the news I uncovered is not able to arouse a response from the international community and is not acknowledged by the media, if so, all efforts I have made will be wasted.

Reporter: Do you feel a threat to the safety of your life now?

Jin Zhong: I felt this point; my friend is diligently making money and protecting me.

Reporter: Is there any sign of the threat?

Jin Zhong: Once I felt I had been secretly monitored and tailed. I often receive some threatening calls on my mobile phone.

Reporter: What did they say?

Jin Zhong: They spoke English, and said they will kill me.

Reporter: Was the accent of the person speaking English like a Chinese or a native speaker?

Jin Zhong: That’s difficult to tell.

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